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Coding Blog Coding Blog: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule
Posted by HopeSeekr on Tuesday, September 21 @ 14:40:30 CDT
Contributed by HopeSeekr

In another approach, freaks will irritate and drive away your productive developers. Then they'll work your entire team into a frenzy as they forcefully try to reform the project's power structure [into a 'democratic', easy to manipulate system]. If their efforts are finally defeated, they'll try to rally as many defectors together as possible and fork from your project. Ouch! Each one of the tactics concerning "freak developers" occurred to xMule either by Madcat or Kry, and then later to BigBob by the same cabal months later. All i ask is that some people help me out.

Understanding the freak These two guys belong to a category of developer I like to call "the freak". But although they made my development work very unpleasant, I also learned a lot from having to deal with them. At this point I'd like to offer you an expos?f the freak developers, a sort of comprehensive overview: the qualities that make a freak, the freak's modus operandi, and how you, the development project leader, can confront and possibly reform the freak without exerting a lot of effort. In order to avoid emotional damage, you'll need one prerequisite: a backbone. If you're unable to confront the freak in a respectful but firm manner, there's no hope. The freak's goal is to control as much of your project as possible so that he or she will feel powerful. The freak will use several techniques to make this happen. First they'll start unfairly criticizing or bitterly complaining about a project and/or the developers working on a project. Then they will refrain from offering any constructive solutions. They will also not be willing to help with the project in any other way unless they are promoted to the role of project manager. Their goal is to convince you to give them as much authority as possible so that they can solve problems that only they, with their finely trained freak eyes, can see. If the criticism and complaining aren't effective, they'll request a developer meeting. This will be their opportunity to try and divide your development team into two factions. When they think that they've gotten enough people on their side, they'll request a vote (knowing they will win). If they don't win the vote or they are overruled, they'll push for another developer meeting next week in which they'll again try to divide your development team. They'll repeat this process endlessly. If the developer meeting approach doesn't work, freaks will become reformers. By adopting this role they will try to streamline (read: undermine) the oppressive and unfair executive decision-making process by attempting to replace it with something more democratic (read: easily manipulated.) This will often involve convincing you that you should do whatever the majority of your developers want. Freaks love this because then you can't override those developer meeting votes anymore (muhahaha!). If you allow this to happen, you've basically given the freak the keys to your Lexus. You're powerless. In another approach, freaks will irritate and drive away your productive developers. Then they'll work your entire team into a frenzy as they forcefully try to reform the project's power structure. If their efforts are finally defeated, they'll try to rally as many defectors together as possible and fork from your project. Ouch! http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-dist1.html


 
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Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 21 @ 15:15:28 CDT
I am so inspired by the completely lack of respect to democracy you show that I'm creaming my pants. Let's all go fascist!




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 22 @ 02:44:19 CDT
I should start out by disclaiming that I have used aMule and, at some point in the past, xMule as well...

I should probably also add that I have responded to one of your diatribes before, on the now defunct xmule.org site...

A routine visit to the amule website [www.amule.org] and I note that you are back. Again. I ambled on over to this site to have a look at what it was this time.

Freaks, huh?

I've never met you or Kry. Or any of the other *mule developers. But I'm pretty sure I know who I'd rather go down the pub with, and I'm afraid it's not you.

I was about to call you a hypocrite, but even that seems inaccurate. On the one hand, you post about how time pressures are such you have only the time to make a rushed release before jetting off to a democratic think tank. Yet, on the other, you post this incoherent drivel, giving it a title which bears no relation to the body contained therein. In fact, I almost feel a fool for having read it right through, and a fool moreso for responding to you.

It is very clear to me what the problem is - you are bitter, because you were the lead on xmule, much like Torvalds is the lead on the kernel. The problem is that whilst Torvalds is an icon and a man revered by many, you were simply obstinate and that led to xmule's demise. In what borders on some kind of insane paranoia, you write that "If [the freaks'] efforts are finally defeated, they'll try to rally as many defectors together as possible and fork from your project." I doubt that any rallying was required - you did more than enough to drive these people away.

It is, of course, you that created the fork, through your inability to allow others into the limelight, even just occasionally. You failed to project manage and so you are consigned to the back streets, occasionally coming out with this kind of spiel like an errant child desperately seeking attention.

It was about half way through when I realised where the inspiration for this interesting nomenclature came from (i.e. freak) - the name that people called you, at school, perhaps at work, on the Internet.

Consider that they may be right.




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 22 @ 06:59:18 CDT
Im sure the Xfree86 developers would agree with you too...




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 22 @ 08:13:03 CDT
(From Creteil/BigBob aMule Project Creator) :

Hi Ted,

Best for you imho was leaving this old & unstable project you try to maintain.

Do like me, when others devs want to do something different and you are alone on your side, let them to manage the project by herself or kick them all out and leave alone has lead dev/manager of your project.

You already made a choice and leave alone, now try to assume your choice and stop bugging others with your personals problems.

I decided to leave others the facility to manage the aMule project, and look how it goes well :-)

Please try to understand they (at aMule project) don't want to work anymore with you (and i personnaly know all the good reasons they have to not go back to xMule days).

However if you are so obstinate to improve your project, then go ahead and try to recruit a decent team to help you in this way.

But remember one think, if you want someone help you, try to don't treat him as a shit like you do with us in old days.

Cordialy.




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 22 @ 08:37:24 CDT
hi everyone.

i'm Hetfield, from aMule team.
i read no more this forum/news/website.
But today Creteil/Bigbob asked me for that...and i did.

ok...explain me one thing. no.. more things.
a) Gentoo CEO? sorry i read the article very very fastly, maybe i missed something. any gentoo related thing???
b) still with nice history of bad devs.

i think that in the morning you wake up and think:
"what i can do today?". just like everyone.
but in your mind there are
1) code something for xmule or another your project
2) dream some stupid things, make it bigger and bigger, dream some shit to put on a similar project and post to your website. And if anyone ask for motivation you tell him: "fascist"

i stopped readign this forum for these motivations.
You dunno how to lose your time and continue to cite amule team. STOP.

what you want to do?ok...let's do something like that.
you told kry madcat and whole amule project is owned by bad boys.
my mum always said not go go with bad boys.
stop. Forget amule and kry and mad.

They're bad, so...why continue talking with them?

Do a demonstration to the world that you're better.
with facts and not only words (if words are yours..i see only stupid things...)

Ted: you know i always been near your side.
i has been the only one spoke with u, thought you could change and be a normal dev, not a politician.
i never gave shit on u and xmule project.

i even did the systray patch for xMule project!!!!!
(now without my name...but i don't care this).

this to tell you and ppl i've always been kind with everyone.
Even with Bigbob i had big discussions.

BUT NOW I'M REALLY TIRED OF YOU.
STOP.
please do not write no more "amule" world in this website.
or over internet.

Wanna develop xmule? do it. nobody is stopping you.
wanna help amule? do patches and post to OUR forum.
but stop talking of amule team here.

stop. nothing to add.
I think that in the website there could be other post like this.
i don't care, as i told u i don't read it.

i hope to do this for the last time.

please.

W GPL and community.
only this.

bye, hope to talk again with u, but when you're be a normal guy.




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 22 @ 10:59:16 CDT
Hello. I am Kry. According to this, I'm EVIL!


I have only three things to say:

a) Ted, leave me alone

b) Ted, leave aMule alone

c) Ted, the gentoo's CEO is talking about avoiding people like you on that post. People that talk too much, usually flaming other people, and code few. That's you. Gentoo's CEO warns people against you, and I'm cool with it. Nice try trying to make people think that he sided with you instead of saying that, in your own interpretation of that post, you think he would eventually think like you. I can't understand why. He got tired of people like YOU, and forked project, like WE. He's like the aMule team. You're like the people that made him fork. The reason why you see it the other way around is far away from my inmagination.

For one thing I can say we should thank you: without you, aMule team wouldn't have reunited lmule, xMule, and newer devs in a great community of friends. For that's what we are, friends above co-workers.


P.S. Some people still know what you did to lmule project, why Tiku left, and why it was changed to xMule. You can fool yourself, you can fool the people that knows nothing about it, but some people still know. The gentoo's CEO experience is the same as Tiku's, and Tiku was a genious, We lost him because of what happened, and you got a big role on it. You couldn't get above him, you got him to leave by forking.

You can't fool people that know and have memories.




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 22 @ 11:47:57 CDT
I'm sorry. You've just made me lose the last piece of respect I had for you. You're a good coder, but a lousy human.

Don't make it worse, just shut up about amule and go coding something usefull. You can't manage an open source software writing team. face it.




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 22 @ 17:35:30 CDT
(in spanish)
No estoy ni ah? con tu caga' de xMule, metete lo la raja !!! o por donde te quepa, saco wea !

aMule the best ;)





Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, September 23 @ 09:16:40 CDT
Dear Ted / HopeSeekr,

The main characteristic of a "good" project leader is to be able to listen to his team. His concern is to make all people work in the same direction. Therefore, if the project has some problems, as it seems with yours, or you did not listen to your team, or maybe the direction you were heading to wasn't the good one.

Anyway, the team broke, and members made a fork. It's their choice, and by the way, the piece of software they made made me abandon xMule towards aMule.

All I've seen since this fork is you shouting, crying, injuring the people who left. I don't think this is fair. You're acting just like your "ennemy" GW Bush who can only say " if you're not with us, you're against us"... Strange behavior for someone who should be a Democrat...

This kind of "war" you want to install is completely useless. I'm sad that all of it happened, but maybe you should think about it and ask yourself the good questions regarding this story.

BTW, your add regarding this "Book of Life" scares me, just looks like some kind of sect to my eyes.

BTW2, I never had any contacts with anyone of the aMule team, I'm just an end-user, so don't think my post has been oriented by anyone, please.

Best regards,
Yann




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, September 23 @ 09:49:57 CDT
I don't understand this crap. aMule its simply more effective collaboration between OS developers. You can call them "Freaks" but its coding skills, development stategy and support talks itself.

First I use Xmule, good choice. Now, I'm using aMule, better choice... that's all, why are you posting this crap, I dont understand :-(

La politica apesta, sobre todo en comunidades Open Source. Polithics sucks, specially in Open Source communities.





Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, September 23 @ 15:16:22 CDT
You forgot the chapter immediately after (emphasis is mine):

Managing the freak
You can identify these guys pretty easily. They're the ones who aren't writing any code (nor do they have any intention to). Instead they spend their time talking about more important things. You know, those managerial issues. If you're a project leader, it's pretty easy to deal with them. Just tell them that you won't consider any proposal unless they produce working code. Or insist that they constructively help the current project, which includes obeying the current project manager, before giving them the opportunity to offer any (constructive) criticism. If they write some nice code or start being more helpful, great. If not, tell them to go away. They'll either leave the project (if you ignore them long enough), or they'll get their act together and start writing some code and generally become more pleasant.

Unfortunately the senior Stampede developers didn't take on freak management. In other words, they allowed these two guys to pester me (and others) to no end. While the senior developers were always in favor of my development work, they didn't do much to get these guys under control. So one day I decided that it would be easier to create my own distribution rather than have to put up with the two freaks. I resigned from Stampede development and started making plans to produce my own distro.

While I felt a bit weird about leaving a project because of two lower-level developers, the fact that they weren't dealt with really indicated that the project had severe managerial problems. If the higher-level developers weren't able or willing to make sure the Stampede development effort was pleasant and rewarding, then I didn't want to be there.


By the way, I don't care about who the "freak" is. aMule is better now, this is not to be contested, and sadly it speaks by itself.




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, September 24 @ 18:54:21 CDT
Heres my take:

You're an idiot.




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, September 24 @ 21:09:20 CDT
Oh the Humanity

Can't everyone just get along.... (like Jesus would of)




Re: Gentoo CEO would side with xMule over aMule (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Thursday, September 30 @ 09:54:11 CDT
Hail to the leader!

Mr. Freak-Leader, you don't know anything about community-livestyle.

Hypocrite is the name of this game.

"10: Goto hell"





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